Nurse Invents Bras and Underwear For Healthcare Workers (with Virginia Lynn Peterson, SWOOP Founder)

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[00:00:29] You're listening to Ask Nurse Alice presented by nurse.org where Alice Benjamin combines no nonsense advice with thought-provoking interviews. Hello friends and welcome to the Ask Nurse Alice podcast. The show where we talk about anything and everything nursing and healthcare

[00:00:55] related. I'm your host Alice Benjamin, clinical nurse specialist, family nurse practitioner, and chief nursing officer here at Nurse.org. Now I worked last night, the last couple nights, and I was jamming in the ER, moving and grooving, pushing and pulling, rocking and rolling.

[00:01:10] And I have to tell you that I never really had a shift where I was completely, completely comfortable with what I was wearing or when I was moving because it always seemed something like

[00:01:24] either my bra strap is falling off or like my undies are like riding up or like my sock is slipping. And I have to say, and maybe I didn't make the best selection of what I wore those days, but

[00:01:35] comfort is so key when it comes to movement because I cannot be in the middle of a code trying to do chest compressions and my bra strap is just like sliding and I'm doing this thing.

[00:01:43] It's just going to impact my quality of CPR. It shouldn't, but I want to be comfortable when I'm doing these things because I want to do my best. I want to take care of patients.

[00:01:51] So I'm curious, what's underneath your scrubs? Well, I have a special guest who's going to help us talk about that today. I want you to please welcome to the show Virginia Lynn Peterson. She is

[00:02:02] the founder and owner of a company called Swoop based in Anchorage, Alaska, nurses who make under garments for nurses. So listen, so Swoop makes bras and underwears for medical care workers and the active busy woman guys, that's me. And that's you too. I'm pretty sure. And I know

[00:02:19] we got fellas and nursing. I love you all to death, but maybe the same for you. I don't know. I don't know. It could be and it's okay. This is for everybody who wants to wear them. But what

[00:02:27] we're going to be talking about is, you know, how can we be most comfortable and supportive of our bodies while we are taking care of other people and just living everyday lives? So

[00:02:36] please welcome to the show Virginia Lynn. Hi Virginia. Hi Alice. It's so nice to be here today. I'm so glad to have you. Okay, so I know that you are this entrepreneur who's launched this amazing business to help us with our undergarments situations, but

[00:02:54] you're still a nurse. You've been practicing for a long period of time. So before we get into your entrepreneurship, if you could tell us a little bit, I love our asking guests this, why nursing and then tell us a little bit more about your journey.

[00:03:06] Wow. Why nursing? That's always such like a big question, right? So my path, I started in the NICU and then went to a pediatric ER and then to an adult ER. And now I'm kind of half in between

[00:03:19] the ER and doing heart cardiovascular observation. And, you know, honestly, it's this, you know, just our nature to help people. And, you know, I won't lie. The schedule is amazing. And I just like love what I do. There's so many options in nursing and that opportunity to learn

[00:03:37] just never stops. So, you know, I'll bounce from one unit to another unit or there's just not a shift that goes by where I don't learn something. And I just think that that is incredible.

[00:03:46] And I'm sure there's a lot of other careers out there where you can have that same experience. But man, I just feel like I nailed it for me. You know, you've been practicing nursing for several years now. Again, you already told us

[00:03:58] your specialties. Then you pivoted. I mean, like, I could see the amazing garments that are even behind you like great promotion. Love it. But like, I'm just curious when you go to work, you want to feel comfortable because you listen, let's be honest, some of us don't

[00:04:10] even want to really be at work all the time because they work as hard. And but while we're there to do our best, we have to feel our best. And part of feeling

[00:04:18] our best is what we're wearing. Now I know some stuff can look really cute on the outside. And listen, we all have some of our favorite scrubs to wear, mine are Fepletics. But it's the undergarments. I love a good Victoria's Secret, but Victoria's Secret maybe not need

[00:04:33] come with me to work. I don't think so because she wouldn't act and write the last couple of days. So she went, but she was cutting up. She was kind of, she left at home.

[00:04:43] So Virginia, tell me what, you know, your, what prompted you or inspired you to launch your business? I mean, whether it's a bad night like myself, I don't know. Oh my gosh. Well, I was, I think you just, you nailed it on the head when you started

[00:04:56] this whole entire interview. I mean, how many times have we done compressions? And then all of a sudden you're thinking it's just like, whoa, like this is, you know, I'm trying to save this person's life. And like my ball of strap is, you know, falling off or my

[00:05:10] boobs are bouncing around and you're just like, Hey, like this is not a time for me to be distracted. So where it came from for me was I just had a really hard time when I feel very fortunate now

[00:05:22] I'm working part-time. So I'm only two shifts a week. But when I would work full time and I would bunch all my days together, I would literally lay out all of my scrubs in a

[00:05:32] pile. So Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, I just have to like wake up in the morning and put them on. And I noticed more often that when I was putting my undergarments on top of my scrubs

[00:05:41] to wear every day, I just didn't have many that I loved it. Like I would pull out the bra and I'd be like, well, this would get me through my shift, but it's not really my favorite, but I would

[00:05:49] wear it anyway. And my complaint went like this one 12 hours is just a really long time to be in undergarments. And you know, a second, like you said, like we need to feel comfortable and we also need to feel good about ourselves while we're out work.

[00:06:03] I felt like bralets for me were not supportive enough, meaning that they kind of just hurt my back and my shoulders by the end of the shift. I didn't feel like my breasts were getting the

[00:06:14] support that they needed. And then I felt like my sports bras were just way too tight. So at the end of a 12 hour shift, I almost like felt a little bit hypoxic.

[00:06:22] So I just kind of, I know, right? I'm like, oh, I think like I need to check myself into the ER right now. So, you know, I've been a little bit crafty throughout my life. And I'm like,

[00:06:32] I think I'm gonna just make a bra and I did it and I wore it. And I thought, oh my gosh, this is like the perfect work bra made one, you know, made a couple for me started wearing on made a couple

[00:06:43] more gave them different some friends. And then our first year was word of mouth. They just kind of spread. And then I had repeat friends coming back to me and just telling me, oh

[00:06:52] my gosh, like I love wearing this bra to work. Do you think you can make me another one? And so just it quickly turned into this growing business. And now we're in three and a half years

[00:07:04] have five employees that helped me most of our garments are made here in Alaska, which I think is incredible. And yeah, we just kind of keep doing our thing and started with the bras as

[00:07:15] I just told you moved into underwear. And now we've kind of added some other I love that word operate, whether it's like, I'll pray run or I'll pray work or operate whatever it is that you

[00:07:27] choose to do with yourself during the day, but come home and just feel really comfy. So we're doing pants and shorts and tunics as well. I love it. I love it. And it's funny when you were

[00:07:36] talking about sports, I've tried sports bras at work too, because I'm like, okay, and listen, I'm part of the itty-bitty committee, but still, I still got I need support. But and

[00:07:46] but when I put when I would wear the sports bra, like after a long shift, I'd come off and I'd feel like those Pillsbury dough biscuits were like you unravel the Canada and they're like

[00:07:59] yeah, that's how I feel after wearing a sports bra to work. Because I don't think sports bras meant for and we say 12 hours. But listen, we know with your commuting work, you're over because you had to finish your charting or some got late admission or something

[00:08:15] like that. Okay, they trick us. They say 12 hours shifts, but it's really 12 and a half because you have your time. Let's go ahead and throw on the hour commute, maybe even hour and a half or

[00:08:25] some of us. So was that 12 and a half, 13, 14 hours in a bra? That's more than half the day. You got to live. It really is going to be besties with your undergarments because

[00:08:35] they can make or break your day. They can shift your attitude, your mood. I don't want to be funky with patients because I'm like my bra is not fitting me properly. And I shouldn't say

[00:08:45] that. And I shouldn't affect my mood, but I'm going to be holding all that in a whole, that 14 hours. So it's absolutely, absolutely. And that was one of the things that we did,

[00:08:55] a couple of things we just kept them simple. Like we put the rings and sliders in the front. So if you do need to adjust it on your shift, it's like super easy to do that.

[00:09:04] The other thing we did too, is we lined it with a material called Modal, which is just super soft against your skin. So you kind of feel cozy. But the biggest thing is,

[00:09:13] is that we decided not to do solid colors. So all of our bras have some sort of pattern that I just love it when I see women like shifting through, like looking through our bras and seeing

[00:09:25] like a unicorn for example, and they're like, yes, I just love the unicorn, right? So then you can wear it under your scrubs. And then when you're having that bad day, you're just like, no, I

[00:09:35] got this, I got my unicorn bra and I'm ready to go. I love it. And I love that you put them in the front because I'm so tired of like, yeah, I'm going to the bathroom, untie it, flip

[00:09:45] around. But oh my gosh. And then I put it on like, okay, too tight. Okay, right in the middle of your time for that. Let me just slide that bad boy up.

[00:09:56] There you go. I love it. Okay, well, that's good. And you talked about what your bras are made of. I don't know that people really ask that question. And we should be asking that. Yeah.

[00:10:06] Because it's important to know for those who are listening, obviously, I can't hear your answer, but just ask yourself, do you know what your bra is made of? Hopefully you're wearing

[00:10:12] a swoop bra. But if you're not, what is your bra made of? Yeah. Okay. And I said this a little earlier, sometimes we like to feel good. So we think, you know, and listen, no shade to

[00:10:21] Victoria's Secret. I've been a customer for a long time. But we put these things on. And I think it's more for the visual. But listen, how comfortable really is lace and underwear and all the other stuff. And all that extra padding. I mean, listen,

[00:10:36] there's a time and a place for everything. Maybe there is exactly that. But probably not at work because your patient don't have two hints about you got the latest black sheer lacy Victoria's

[00:10:49] Secret bras with the diamonds on the side. I don't know. I don't know what you're wearing. But that's probably not going to, probably not going to be what you want to wear during a hectic, busy, labor full day at work. It's really not. Absolutely.

[00:11:05] Okay. So I have a question. So yeah, this cares. Where did that name come from? Oh, I just love our names. So we actually started as always be swooping and we shortened it to swoop

[00:11:17] because it was just easier for people. But I have just loved the saying for so long, maybe half my life, always be swooping. And I like to kind of think about flapping your arms a little bit. And you're just always doing like always doing something not sitting still,

[00:11:33] always challenging yourself, always doing new things. So you're always being swooping. So I just love that idea and it's kind of been like a personal motto for me. So it's been nice to kind of carry the brand and have that name stick with it.

[00:11:48] I love it. I was actually thinking something different, but I was thinking like, okay, there's like these swooper, I don't know. Yeah, there is that too. Some people who swooping, yeah. So some swoop more than others, but that's okay.

[00:12:01] We love all different sizes and shapes. And the point is we want to keep you comfortable and supported. And listen, you can find the print that best describes your character like you mentioned, you have unicorns, like there are different types of patterns and things like that.

[00:12:14] So you can exert that personality like I like personality in my socks. I love it now that you can actually get that same personality in your bra. I love it. Yeah. Okay, so you mentioned, so we know bras and underwears. Okay, you mentioned some other things as well,

[00:12:31] like you've expanded. Yep, we sure have. Okay. Yeah. Well, we just kept getting, I try really hard to listen to feedback from the people who shop us, in particular, like our repeat customers because I just feel like they're the ones who are advocating for

[00:12:47] us and love our product and are sharing our product. And we just started getting more and more requests for, you know, when I get home from work, like, you know, I just like, what do I put

[00:12:57] on and like, Oh, how cool would it be to have like a pair of pants that match my bra? And so we did kind of start getting into, like I said, just kind of like the opera. So like when you get

[00:13:07] home from work, we have something comfy to put on. We started making what we call tunics, which is just kind of like an oversized hoodie that kind of comes like right below your bum,

[00:13:18] which is just a nice if you're going to, you know, go grab something to eat or, you know, go get a drink with some work friends. You can throw that on over your scrubs and just feel

[00:13:28] warm and cozy and look cute and still do all the things. I love it. Listen, we all need that good go to outfit after work, like come home, shower, eat, get in your tunic and whoof.

[00:13:39] Yeah, exactly. And you should relax guys. I hope you're not sitting there thinking about work after you've left work because listen, there's nothing good about it. You're not there anymore. Okay? Yeah. You passed the baton onto the next person. That's the beauty of nursing is 24-7.

[00:13:54] You passed the baton, let them deal with that heparin drip. Let them deal with the, oh, you know, I might have forgotten such and such. Well, and obviously sometimes we can't do everything, right? But they've passed the baton, they'll pick it up, they'll get that aspirin

[00:14:08] to the patient, they'll get that iron or whatever that once a day medication that you're so worked up about. But you go home and you relax in your tunic. I love it. Okay. So Virginia, so you've created these products for the working professional and,

[00:14:20] you know, we're focused on nurses because obviously we're nurses, but these are products that can transcend all different types of careers and specialties just for the moving person. I love that you were able to identify a problem. You use that ad pie, that nursing process guys,

[00:14:37] right? She's used the nursing process to identify a problem, create a solution and as you go back and you assess, you've implemented and you've even, like you said, added new products based on the customer's voice. Even though we learned ad pie in nursing,

[00:14:52] you've now transitioned that to the business side of thing as a nurse entrepreneur. Correct. How scary was that when you decided to, you know what? Step out on the business side.

[00:15:04] What was that like for you? Yeah. Well, I just feel like every day is kind of scary, honestly, because you know, my background's in nursing, my background's in healthcare. You know, I mean,

[00:15:15] it's like I can do IVs all day long, but the thought that I am trying to get my product into more stores for example, like how do I do that? Like if I do want to get my product into

[00:15:27] Target, what are the steps that even get me there? You know, that's just one avenue, like not to talk about like the marketing and the emails and all of those things.

[00:15:35] You know, I've had to really put myself out there way more than I ever imagined that I would. And I have loved every second of it. I think that's been one of the big surprises for me.

[00:15:46] And one of the things I think, you know, I just really like to share with others is follow your passions and try to do that saying, try to do something that scares you every single day. And for me, this is that, but life is just too short to

[00:16:01] not be trying to pursue these things and fear shouldn't be one of the things that holds you back. So yeah, it's been super scary making that step outside of the nursing world.

[00:16:11] And it's just been hard, you know, trying to balance life and trying to still be a nurse and then trying to grow this brand. And now I have five employees so managing the employees,

[00:16:20] it's just a lot going on. But yeah, I don't know, I just try to regularly do like check-ins with myself. I try to do my morning meditations. I try to, you know, still see the fun of being

[00:16:31] in the ER and why does the kid stick the ball up his nose, you know, or eat the quarter because he thinks his belly's a piggy bank. Like, you know, it's just so much humor and fun and trying to

[00:16:43] carry that in everyday life and within the business and all of those things. So it's just been, it's been a real treat. That's amazing to hear. It is like a whole new world when you venture and become your own brand. So many times- It really is.

[00:16:56] Yeah, when we work at hospitals, we don't necessarily always think about this, but the hospital you work at is a brand. So you get meshed and absorbed into their brand. That's

[00:17:05] why they're so stickler on what you do, what you say, what you post, what you don't post in their you know facility or even with your, even at home with your badge on like because that's their brand.

[00:17:13] But now you've created your own brand, you've stepped out on your own. But I'll say this because I've talked to a lot of quite a few nurse entrepreneurs and they do this thing

[00:17:22] where it's like, I'm still working as a nurse and then I'm doing this also and they're juggling both lives. Yeah. Isn't that Virginia? How do you- Well, you- Yes. What's like, why you look like a regular work week for you. I'm just- I mean, because I'm-

[00:17:36] I imagine me- That, because entrepreneur, they think it's like 24 seven life. Well, it's 24 seven. That's all they counted for. Then you add on these shifts like how are you, how are you doing? Blink twice if you're not okay. Like how are you-

[00:17:49] Like what? I'm just blinking like crazy. No, you know what? I will tell you this and you know again, I think we can go to entrepreneur anonymous or something and we can have these conversations but year two for me was really hard.

[00:18:06] Year two, I really dedicated all of my time. I was either at work or I was working on the business and there was no time for me. And I got to the end of year two and me talking to myself, it's like Virginia,

[00:18:19] this is not sustainable. Like you have got to figure out the balance. Then it's hard sometimes too when a lot of times I don't know or don't feel like I know what I'm doing. It's like, what is the most important thing to delegate?

[00:18:32] So I think starting into year three, I've just really tried really hard with my calendar in particular to literally schedule time off. So this afternoon for example from noon to three o'clock that is me time and

[00:18:47] I'm going to go exercise. I'm meeting a friend for lunch and then I'll probably have another half an hour to, I don't know, go shop or do something fun for myself. So I think you just have to be a little bit more strict with yourself and

[00:19:02] be a little bit lenient on yourself as well to try not to give yourself a hard time and to fall into that where you're not meeting your personal needs. Guys take home message, make time for yourself. You cannot pour from an empty cup. Okay. You cannot.

[00:19:18] And you know, but as nurses, I don't know why we're like this, but we're like this. We do so much. Like we go above and beyond. Like we will skip our bathroom breaks.

[00:19:26] We will not eat lunch. We like, you know, work so hard. Like I didn't get a break today. Why didn't you get a break today? Like really, like really, could I have had to

[00:19:36] think about that one? Because I had someone ask me like, why didn't you take a break? I'm like, because I was so busy. It's the hospital. It's always going to be busy.

[00:19:43] When did you think it wasn't going to be busy? That's why you get a buddy to watch your patients. And there's this other thing that phenomenon, like then we don't really trust our buddy. Like,

[00:19:54] who am I working with? No, I'm just going to do it myself. I'm no, unless you want to eventually be the patient in the bed. We have to learn how to, like you mentioned delegate. You said you had to be struggling with delegating.

[00:20:07] Why don't you think you struggled with delegating? Because of the ER ICU nursing and youth. What is it? Yeah, I mean, I think like you're like, gosh, you're just like speaking my language there, right? Like, you know, it's this feeling like,

[00:20:21] this is my patient and I don't want anybody else to touch this patient, right? Because like, I just want to be in control all the time. And it's hard to like let that go. But that's

[00:20:31] just it. It's just, man, life gets so much easier when you ask for help. And I don't know, even outside of the nursing world, I see it all the time. Why is it so hard for us to ask for help

[00:20:42] sometimes? And I think that that is something I really have learned through this business is, you know, I try to surround myself by people who really support me. And it makes it really easy

[00:20:53] to be like, Hey, you know, I'm taking this afternoon off, like I need you to do the social media posts for today. Right? Like I don't have to be in control of that all the time.

[00:21:02] I can delegate that and same at work, you know? Like, yeah, I totally agree. I look at my co-workers and nobody's ever taken a break. It's like, come on guys, I'll watch your patients.

[00:21:13] Go on the break. You raise a good point. Like, why don't we ask for help guys? And listen, I know the pandemic came in even before the pandemic, we were working really hard. We were

[00:21:25] stressed out, fatigued, didn't have as much resources as we needed. I get it. And the pandemic just put that on 1000. But when we don't ask for help, we fatigue ourselves

[00:21:36] because we've not asked for help. Now, if you have the ability to someone there who will cover for you, like why not? We have to, our ego, your ego is not your amigo. Okay, don't sit there and think

[00:21:49] like, um, they're going to think I don't know what I'm doing or this is my patient. This is not your patient. Okay. It's not even your family relative or your friend. It's your

[00:21:56] patient. This person's going to come and go and just at the next shift, it's going to forget your name. Won't even know your name. Especially so it's not your patients stop feeling like this is

[00:22:06] property. And that like, I get it. You're, you're proud of the work you do. You want to, you know, commit yourself and do great work. But how about we commit to ourselves first?

[00:22:15] Cause you can't take care of someone else if you don't take care of ourselves. And I also think then this is probably why, and I'm just gonna, I'm going to say women in general cause nursing is predominantly a woman's profession. Although we have some really

[00:22:26] great men out there. I love, love my male nurses, but maybe that's some of why we've not excelled as much as we could have in some of these, you know, on these boards in the business,

[00:22:36] in the business room, the board room, because we don't ask for help. These people, they work, they work smarter, not harder. They will delegate. I've heard and some of you guys may know

[00:22:46] who Pete it is, Sean puppy combs, but he has said that he doesn't work. He hires people to do his work and he just oversees everyone. He said the, the best boss doesn't have to work because

[00:22:58] they've delegated and they've hired the most qualified people to do the job. So he can take time off the span with his family, go on trips, enjoy the fruits of his labor. Now,

[00:23:08] I know we may not all be thinking like that. And I'm going to say my message is not to work, right? And my message isn't that, but like Virginia, you've hired, I'm sure you've hired some very qualified and dedicated people, right? This allows Virginia the time to do

[00:23:20] the things that she needs to do for herself. Like she said, someone else is going to post, someone else is going to do this and there's nothing wrong with that. So what I'm really

[00:23:29] trying to say is you don't have to do everything yourself. If Virginia was the sole creator, manufacturer, advertiser, everything for her company, Virginia would look very old and gray right now. And she doesn't. She looks beautiful. She's a maintenance. She's stupid. She's

[00:23:46] stupid. So take home message. Swoop. Swoop, take care of your swoop. Okay. Now, Virginia, before we let you go, and I mean, there's lots going on in the nursing world today. Any advice

[00:23:57] or take home message that you'd want to share with some folks who are listening? And, you know, we have aspiring students, nursing students, new grads, people who've been nurses for a while, people who are pivoting, people who want to leave the bedside, people who want to be

[00:24:08] entrepreneurs like you. I asked you a very loaded question. But anyway, yeah, it's okay. I got a good answer. Love it. So what advice do you have for nurses out there today?

[00:24:19] I really come back to, I think you got to follow your dreams. Nursing for me has been one of the very best career choices I have ever made in my life. And we won't even go down my path of all

[00:24:30] the careers that I've had before I actually landed in nursing. But oh my gosh, the amount of things that you can do with it, but chase your dreams whether it's outside of nursing

[00:24:40] in nursing, you identify a problem in nursing and then you want to take that a step further. Like you, Alice, for example, doing these podcasts and all the information like you have these same

[00:24:51] scary steps that I've had and you trying to manage all of your life, I'm sure like I could interview you and you might have some of the same exact answers as me. But you got to chase

[00:25:01] your dreams. Because again, like life is just too short to not do something that scares you every single day. I couldn't agree any more than that, you guys. You have to totally follow your

[00:25:13] dream. I know that you're aspiring to be a nurse or you're a nurse, but and we love that you're a nurse, but what nursing looks like today might be different tomorrow. You're still going to be a

[00:25:24] nurse. So follow your passion when you identify a problem. Go ahead and fix it. Even if it's away from the bedside, do not be so tied up in the traditional view of nursing that you

[00:25:37] postpone a dream because you think people are going to think you're not enough of a nurse. I hear that. I hear some people say that like they think of or they've said that,

[00:25:48] oh, they're not a nurse. No, I am a nurse. I'm just expanding the horizons. I'm solving problems and taking care of people in a different way and you are. I think that's something,

[00:25:58] again, your ego is not your amigo. You got to let that stuff go. But Virginia, this has been a great conversation with you as always. I love what you're doing. Listen, we connect on so many levels

[00:26:09] because of the ERIC. If you know, you know. And then the fact that she's helping us to take care of ourselves. See? We're patients too, guys. I hope you guys know that. I don't know why

[00:26:23] sometimes we're like, oh, we're nurses. They're patients, but we all have the potential to be a patient too. We have health needs too. And so Virginia is being our nurse by helping to

[00:26:32] solve a problem that many of us experience. So thank you for that. Thank you for your great work. And thank you so much for sharing your story. Now, before I let you go though, you got to tell us where can we go to learn more about your business,

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[00:27:04] and learn more about us and love your feedback and would love to get you in a swoop brawl. Love it, guys. You better go swoop on the swooping. Okay? Get swooped up. Next swooped up, guys. Well, thanks so much, Virginia. Love chatting with you. And also shout

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